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October 26, 2009



We don't celebrate Halloween either. I even keep my kids home from school that day. I usually invite a family over for lunch and they celebrate just playing with their friends. :O)


I think we should be most frightened when the scary becomes fabulous. Just because something is shiny and pretty doesn't make it good. I think Paul had something to say about how the Enemy dresses up, and it's not with horns and a pitchfork, it is much more subtle, dangerous and alluring. I don't have anything against kids hitting up their neighbors for candy. But i do have a serious beef with us pretending that darkness, death, and evil can be celebrated in good fun, even if it is only one night a year. All that is to say, i appreciate the struggle. I'm sure having a kid makes it that much harder.


Dee Stewart

thanks, luke. you're so right. i have a serious beef with the pretense, so that's why I had to change our old Halloween gameplan this year without taking Selah's feelings in consideration. I had to pull the "Because I said so" card. we may do scrabble night and invite a friend over. something to keep her mind off of that stuff.

Thanks, Diane. My family don't celebrate, don't want to talk about it, but we have given Selah some leeway because she's a child. Now...the conversation has changed. lol. oh boy...

And like I said before I blame myself for confusing her...mmmhmmm

one billion daleks

Oh, and there was I thinking Halloween was entirely conceived by the church ...

The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the Irish Celtic night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. The church made November 2nd All Souls' Day, a day to honour the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints' (Oct 31), All Saints' (Nov 1), and All Souls' (Nov 2), were called Hallowmas (Hallowed Mass, from hallowed meaning "highly venerated, and sacrosanct" (sacred and holy), and mass meaning "an act of worship").

As pointed out at Religious Tolerance "There is probably more misinformation circulated about this festival than about any other yearly celebration." ( )

All The Best!

Dee Stewart

Daleks, and your point is?

I know the history behind the day, but we're not celebrating that nor are we Catholic. Selah's father is, but she is not. What she wants to do is what the rest of the world is doing party. I don't have a problem with having fun. I draw the line when she wants to dress up like a demon. I draw the line when demon worship is watered down for kids. Period.

one billion daleks

I wasn't making a point Dee. I was just startled that you associate a religious festival instituted by the church as having anything to do with demon worship - I mean, that looks like a truly extraordinary extrapolation to me, and I just can't fathom the reasoning behind it - that through the Festival of All Saints (Hallowmas), the church has instituted demon worship. I just don't get the connection there, sorry. And I can't help feeling that to expel Halloween from your life because secularists and atheists willfully misrepresent it is playing right into their hands really.

For yes, Halloween has been secularised, just as Christmas and Easter have, but the original good intent behind it's origins is still intact. For historically, the church always sought to assimilate pagan traditions in a non-confrontational manner, because it recognised that any other approach was likely to be antagonistic to it's longterm evangelical mission.

Consequently, the accoutrements of Halloween have carried down the ages, just as Christmas trees have with Christmas, and Easter eggs have at Easter. But it doesn't follow that such cultural remnants have anything to do with "Darkness" as you put it - any more than the Easter bunny - they're simply leftovers from the Nature worship of pre-Christian times ...

These were made up of of Harvest festivals (preparations for the ordeals of winter, transformed by the church into Hallowmas - praying to saints for safe passage through winter and the warding off of evil); the turning point heralding the return of the sun at midwinter solstice (joyous Yuletide celebrations, transformed by the church into the joy of Christmas); and the return of Spring (feasts in honour of the fertility goddess Eostre for sowing of crops, transformed by the church into Easter). So the church (quite prudently in my view! ;) simply transposed it's own festivals onto pre-existing Northern European Nature festivals revolving around food production. And Halloween is just one of those, nothing more than that.

Hopefully, it can be seen that the cultural residues that arise from that process of integration have absolutely nothing to do with demon worship at all, in fact all my researches indicate quite the opposite - any such practices were intended to ward off evil forces, not embrace them! So I think you may have somehow mixed up religious and secular symbolism about Halloween to come up with "I draw the line when demon worship is watered down for kids." So er, sticking with your 'water' allegory, I think you may've thrown the baby out with the bathwater there! ;)

Halloween is to Hallowmas what Christmas Eve is to Christmas. Hallowe'en literally means the eve before Hallowmas (Hallows = Saints, All Saints Day - Nov 1st, the start of winter), just as Christmas Eve literally means the eve before Christ's Day (midwinter). And in light of the history, to go on to suggest that Halloween is some kind of demonic festival just looks very peculiar to me, sorry! :)

OK then,
All The Best!

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